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		<title>By: Millicent Stoakley</title>
		<link>http://m.ammoth.us/blog/2009/10/the-atlantic-on-new-orleans/comment-page-1/#comment-403695</link>
		<dc:creator>Millicent Stoakley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 19:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have fun with, lead to I discovered just what I used to be looking for. You have ended my 4 day lengthy hunt! God Bless you man. Have a nice day. Bye</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have fun with, lead to I discovered just what I used to be looking for. You have ended my 4 day lengthy hunt! God Bless you man. Have a nice day. Bye</p>
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		<title>By: J.D. Hammond</title>
		<link>http://m.ammoth.us/blog/2009/10/the-atlantic-on-new-orleans/comment-page-1/#comment-3331</link>
		<dc:creator>J.D. Hammond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 14:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Geneva of the Caribbean&quot;? It&#039;s not even particularly high-altitude. This metaphor is dangling towards Tom Friedman levels of mixed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Geneva of the Caribbean&#8221;? It&#8217;s not even particularly high-altitude. This metaphor is dangling towards Tom Friedman levels of mixed.</p>
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		<title>By: faslanyc</title>
		<link>http://m.ammoth.us/blog/2009/10/the-atlantic-on-new-orleans/comment-page-1/#comment-3330</link>
		<dc:creator>faslanyc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 13:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That New Orleans is a Caribbean city is not a notion original to Duany.  And Duany does seem to characterize all Caribbean cities badly with his &quot;new orleans is the geneva of the caribbean&quot;.  What a rough metaphor.

The article was great though, it&#039;s journalistic thoroughness painted a good picture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That New Orleans is a Caribbean city is not a notion original to Duany.  And Duany does seem to characterize all Caribbean cities badly with his &#8220;new orleans is the geneva of the caribbean&#8221;.  What a rough metaphor.</p>
<p>The article was great though, it&#8217;s journalistic thoroughness painted a good picture.</p>
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		<title>By: namhenderson</title>
		<link>http://m.ammoth.us/blog/2009/10/the-atlantic-on-new-orleans/comment-page-1/#comment-3320</link>
		<dc:creator>namhenderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 19:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love this line;
&quot;“Community has to be the new titanium&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love this line;<br />
&#8220;“Community has to be the new titanium&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: rholmes</title>
		<link>http://m.ammoth.us/blog/2009/10/the-atlantic-on-new-orleans/comment-page-1/#comment-3319</link>
		<dc:creator>rholmes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 19:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah.  I&#039;d heard about that (though I didn&#039;t recognize the name), but didn&#039;t know Duany had any involvement in it.  Doesn&#039;t reflect too well, I don&#039;t think -- though the Owen Hatherly post you link to provides some interesting depth to the story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah.  I&#8217;d heard about that (though I didn&#8217;t recognize the name), but didn&#8217;t know Duany had any involvement in it.  Doesn&#8217;t reflect too well, I don&#8217;t think &#8212; though the Owen Hatherly post you link to provides some interesting depth to the story.</p>
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		<title>By: J.D. Hammond</title>
		<link>http://m.ammoth.us/blog/2009/10/the-atlantic-on-new-orleans/comment-page-1/#comment-3300</link>
		<dc:creator>J.D. Hammond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 05:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...Actually, I just discovered the stay might expire sooner than that. The collective was &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/08/europe_famous_berlin_squat_faces_closure/html/1.stm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;foreclosed upon in 2008&lt;/a&gt; and the original owners have put the building back up for sale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;Actually, I just discovered the stay might expire sooner than that. The collective was <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/08/europe_famous_berlin_squat_faces_closure/html/1.stm" rel="nofollow">foreclosed upon in 2008</a> and the original owners have put the building back up for sale.</p>
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		<title>By: J.D. Hammond</title>
		<link>http://m.ammoth.us/blog/2009/10/the-atlantic-on-new-orleans/comment-page-1/#comment-3299</link>
		<dc:creator>J.D. Hammond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 05:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunst_Haus_Tacheles&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Kunsthaus Tacheles&lt;/a&gt; was a department store in east Berlin that was derelict and unrepaired after the war. It was a &lt;a href=&quot;http://nastybrutalistandshort.blogspot.com/2009/02/soi-disant-utopie.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;famous site for East German counterculture&lt;/a&gt;, then was &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.toytowngermany.com/lofi/index.php/t124220.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;occupied by squatter punk artists&lt;/a&gt; when the Wall fell and eventually became &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.agamersodyssey.com/2009/05/17/kunsthaus-tacheles/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a focal point for the arts and counterculture&lt;/a&gt; in what was becoming reunified Germany&#039;s &quot;poor-but-sexy&quot; capital.

Duany wants to conduct an &quot;historically sensitive redevelopment of a war-wrecked block in central Berlin.&quot; By which he means &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cnu.org/node/510&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;he intends to turn it back into a department store&lt;/a&gt;. Pending legal disputes, however, he, erm, generously decided to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newurbannews.com/germany.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;wait ten years&lt;/a&gt; before he pushes the punks out. That stay expires in 2012.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunst_Haus_Tacheles" rel="nofollow">Kunsthaus Tacheles</a> was a department store in east Berlin that was derelict and unrepaired after the war. It was a <a href="http://nastybrutalistandshort.blogspot.com/2009/02/soi-disant-utopie.html" rel="nofollow">famous site for East German counterculture</a>, then was <a href="http://www.toytowngermany.com/lofi/index.php/t124220.html" rel="nofollow">occupied by squatter punk artists</a> when the Wall fell and eventually became <a href="http://www.agamersodyssey.com/2009/05/17/kunsthaus-tacheles/" rel="nofollow">a focal point for the arts and counterculture</a> in what was becoming reunified Germany&#8217;s &#8220;poor-but-sexy&#8221; capital.</p>
<p>Duany wants to conduct an &#8220;historically sensitive redevelopment of a war-wrecked block in central Berlin.&#8221; By which he means <a href="http://www.cnu.org/node/510" rel="nofollow">he intends to turn it back into a department store</a>. Pending legal disputes, however, he, erm, generously decided to <a href="http://www.newurbannews.com/germany.html" rel="nofollow">wait ten years</a> before he pushes the punks out. That stay expires in 2012.</p>
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		<title>By: rholmes</title>
		<link>http://m.ammoth.us/blog/2009/10/the-atlantic-on-new-orleans/comment-page-1/#comment-3298</link>
		<dc:creator>rholmes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 02:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Sandy:&lt;/b&gt;

No argument that New Orleans is rather different from other American cities, and perhaps I was harsher than I should have been in describing what I thought I liked as &quot;accidental&quot;.  If I&#039;m disposed to think of Duany as condescending, though, it&#039;s because, in my experience (apparently more limited than yours -- one lecture, a book, various interviews and comments in articles), I&#039;ve found him to be rather dismissive of alternate viewpoints.  In this particular case, I thought both (a) the dismissal of Pitt&#039;s project as &quot;bullshit&quot; and (b) the characterization of New Orleans as by-nature &quot;ill-governed... full of ill-educated people, with a great deal of crime, a great deal of dirt, a great deal of poverty&quot;, in a way that implied that those things should be accepted (that implication is what is particularly objectionable), could be described as condescending.  Which isn&#039;t to say that he couldn&#039;t also be empathetic; we all contradict ourselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Sandy:</b></p>
<p>No argument that New Orleans is rather different from other American cities, and perhaps I was harsher than I should have been in describing what I thought I liked as &#8220;accidental&#8221;.  If I&#8217;m disposed to think of Duany as condescending, though, it&#8217;s because, in my experience (apparently more limited than yours &#8212; one lecture, a book, various interviews and comments in articles), I&#8217;ve found him to be rather dismissive of alternate viewpoints.  In this particular case, I thought both (a) the dismissal of Pitt&#8217;s project as &#8220;bullshit&#8221; and (b) the characterization of New Orleans as by-nature &#8220;ill-governed&#8230; full of ill-educated people, with a great deal of crime, a great deal of dirt, a great deal of poverty&#8221;, in a way that implied that those things should be accepted (that implication is what is particularly objectionable), could be described as condescending.  Which isn&#8217;t to say that he couldn&#8217;t also be empathetic; we all contradict ourselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy Sorlien</title>
		<link>http://m.ammoth.us/blog/2009/10/the-atlantic-on-new-orleans/comment-page-1/#comment-3296</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandy Sorlien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 02:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have worked with Andres Duany in New Orleans and other cities affected by Katrina, and he is not being at all condescending. He has tremendous empathy with the less powerful - that&#039;s why he designs and develops housing (and zoning codes) for them.  (He shares this trait with Brad Pitt.)  What does &quot;accidentally brilliant&quot; mean? The notion that New Orleans is different from other American cities is simple - anyone who spends some time walking and conversing there can see that - but the idea that it is in fact a Caribbean city is brilliant. No accident...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have worked with Andres Duany in New Orleans and other cities affected by Katrina, and he is not being at all condescending. He has tremendous empathy with the less powerful &#8211; that&#8217;s why he designs and develops housing (and zoning codes) for them.  (He shares this trait with Brad Pitt.)  What does &#8220;accidentally brilliant&#8221; mean? The notion that New Orleans is different from other American cities is simple &#8211; anyone who spends some time walking and conversing there can see that &#8211; but the idea that it is in fact a Caribbean city is brilliant. No accident&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: rholmes</title>
		<link>http://m.ammoth.us/blog/2009/10/the-atlantic-on-new-orleans/comment-page-1/#comment-3291</link>
		<dc:creator>rholmes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 21:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I thought might be accidentally brilliant was the recognition of the link between fuzzy legalities (poor ownership records, disinterest in building codes, etc.) and a culture oriented around leisure.  

But, that said, and while I don&#039;t know about what he did in Berlin, I think you&#039;re right to assume condescension (he&#039;s not far from saying &quot;Lower standards for lower people!&quot;).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I thought might be accidentally brilliant was the recognition of the link between fuzzy legalities (poor ownership records, disinterest in building codes, etc.) and a culture oriented around leisure.  </p>
<p>But, that said, and while I don&#8217;t know about what he did in Berlin, I think you&#8217;re right to assume condescension (he&#8217;s not far from saying &#8220;Lower standards for lower people!&#8221;).</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 20:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t.  Any particular link you would recommend, beyond a google search?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t.  Any particular link you would recommend, beyond a google search?</p>
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		<title>By: J.D. Hammond</title>
		<link>http://m.ammoth.us/blog/2009/10/the-atlantic-on-new-orleans/comment-page-1/#comment-3287</link>
		<dc:creator>J.D. Hammond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 20:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Duany? Given his track record, I&#039;d assume condescension. Have you seen what he did with the Tacheles in Berlin?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Duany? Given his track record, I&#8217;d assume condescension. Have you seen what he did with the Tacheles in Berlin?</p>
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		<title>By: rholmes</title>
		<link>http://m.ammoth.us/blog/2009/10/the-atlantic-on-new-orleans/comment-page-1/#comment-3284</link>
		<dc:creator>rholmes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 18:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 18:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doesn&#039;t Bill live there now?  I&#039;d love to hear his thoughts on this article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t Bill live there now?  I&#8217;d love to hear his thoughts on this article.</p>
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