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		<title>By: colonnade park &#8211; mammoth // building nothing out of something</title>
		<link>http://m.ammoth.us/blog/2010/06/future-forests-of-the-infrastructural-city/comment-page-1/#comment-147488</link>
		<dc:creator>colonnade park &#8211; mammoth // building nothing out of something</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Apr 2011 18:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of labor and ecologies, acknowledging and subsuming lo-fi practices, the D.I.Y. aesthetic, wild urban plants, freakologies, cryptoforestry, ecological performance metrics, labor-intensive restoration [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of labor and ecologies, acknowledging and subsuming lo-fi practices, the D.I.Y. aesthetic, wild urban plants, freakologies, cryptoforestry, ecological performance metrics, labor-intensive restoration [...]</p>
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		<title>By: &#8220;it just makes things different&#8221; &#8211; mammoth // building nothing out of something</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8220;it just makes things different&#8221; &#8211; mammoth // building nothing out of something</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Oct 2010 19:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the full article for much more &#8212; from crypto-forestry and future forests, to how Robert Moses became an accidental inspiration for urban restoration ecology, why urban [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the full article for much more &#8212; from crypto-forestry and future forests, to how Robert Moses became an accidental inspiration for urban restoration ecology, why urban [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Pomodoro</title>
		<link>http://m.ammoth.us/blog/2010/06/future-forests-of-the-infrastructural-city/comment-page-1/#comment-17693</link>
		<dc:creator>Pomodoro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 02:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very amused by faslanyc&#039;s comments.  While the streetscapes of first growth cities like New York have more or less congealed in a climactic state, the terrain of cities like Los Angeles is still in flux, their urban forms less easily defined, coded, and classified.  I found Techentin&#039;s take on the role of landscape in such pre:urban places to be fun, insightful, and fresh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very amused by faslanyc&#8217;s comments.  While the streetscapes of first growth cities like New York have more or less congealed in a climactic state, the terrain of cities like Los Angeles is still in flux, their urban forms less easily defined, coded, and classified.  I found Techentin&#8217;s take on the role of landscape in such pre:urban places to be fun, insightful, and fresh.</p>
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		<title>By: &#8220;waits awards&#8221; &#8211; mammoth // building nothing out of something</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8220;waits awards&#8221; &#8211; mammoth // building nothing out of something</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 18:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] amount to assembly instructions rather than blueprints &#8212; which I referred to at the end of &#8220;future forests of the infrastructural city&#8221;, and so it will be no surprise that I agree with FASLANYC&#8217;s effuse praise: This idea of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] amount to assembly instructions rather than blueprints &#8212; which I referred to at the end of &#8220;future forests of the infrastructural city&#8221;, and so it will be no surprise that I agree with FASLANYC&#8217;s effuse praise: This idea of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Performative Organic Machines &#124; Landscaping L.A. &#171; dpr-barcelona</title>
		<link>http://m.ammoth.us/blog/2010/06/future-forests-of-the-infrastructural-city/comment-page-1/#comment-15481</link>
		<dc:creator>Performative Organic Machines &#124; Landscaping L.A. &#171; dpr-barcelona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jun 2010 19:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Techentin also sketches the raise of trees as performative machines, subject developed later by mammoth. As refered by Holmes in a previous post, he catched up our attention on some kind of vegetal [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Techentin also sketches the raise of trees as performative machines, subject developed later by mammoth. As refered by Holmes in a previous post, he catched up our attention on some kind of vegetal [...]</p>
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		<title>By: rob</title>
		<link>http://m.ammoth.us/blog/2010/06/future-forests-of-the-infrastructural-city/comment-page-1/#comment-15172</link>
		<dc:creator>rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 02:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comments, all, and please talk amongst yourselves.  I&#039;m more or less off the internet for a week here, but I&#039;ll be back with responses next week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comments, all, and please talk amongst yourselves.  I&#8217;m more or less off the internet for a week here, but I&#8217;ll be back with responses next week.</p>
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		<title>By: Georgia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Georgia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 01:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A chapter I can sink my teeth into, thanks!  Intrigued by the concept of &quot;PERFORMATIVE URBAN FORESTS&quot; as my dissertation is about the emergence of the ecological street tree -- planning and policy shift from trees as elements of city beautification and ornamentation to trees as providers of ecosystem services.  (See http://www.localecology.org/edra2010_poster_v2_060110.pdf.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A chapter I can sink my teeth into, thanks!  Intrigued by the concept of &#8220;PERFORMATIVE URBAN FORESTS&#8221; as my dissertation is about the emergence of the ecological street tree &#8212; planning and policy shift from trees as elements of city beautification and ornamentation to trees as providers of ecosystem services.  (See <a href="http://www.localecology.org/edra2010_poster_v2_060110.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.localecology.org/edra2010_poster_v2_060110.pdf</a>.)</p>
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		<title>By: faslanyc</title>
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		<dc:creator>faslanyc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jun 2010 18:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you guys have teased a lot of good stuff out of an article that is essentially rubbish, giving only lazy superficial treatment to interesting ideas, among them the controversial &quot;ecosystem services&quot; and the groundswell of urban environmental data that has been accumulating during the last decade.

The tree and machine metaphors and interplay between the two also had potential but remained unexplored.  Instead the author chooses to just stretch the metaphors with fanciful speculation and hyperbolic wordplay- bah.  And any thorough essay touching on the idea of performative urban forests calls for an examination of the foundation of large urban greenspaces in cities (as opposed to the predominant plaza/garden typologies that predominated prior to industrial cities) and 19th century park design paradigms (public health among them) and for examining them in this cultural/historical context.

And this quote is nothing if not a stretch- &lt;i&gt;&quot;At any drive-through of a fast food restaurant, a country road is evoked as drivers circle their way between the speaker and pick-up window amidst plants that beautify the wait for food with a pleasing, planted environment that has grown over the stains, graffiti, garbage, insects, and dust of the city”.&lt;/i&gt;

At any rate, you bring up good points about possible new methodologies and models.  We need more landscape architecture, and we need to figure out ways of doing it that don&#039;t rely on the capital project (your example is a good one).  Of course, we still need capital projects, too.

Also of note, the environmental data that is being gathered is leading to real policy changes.  In New York, new public projects are now driven by the Department of Design and Construction (DDC) &quot;sustainable infrastructure&quot; and &quot;sustainable building&quot; guidelines, as well as the new DOT street design manual.  These are all real tools.  Frankenpines are a curiosity at best and disheartning, like going to a zoo in the south and seeing the last polar bear on earth wallow in mud miserably.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you guys have teased a lot of good stuff out of an article that is essentially rubbish, giving only lazy superficial treatment to interesting ideas, among them the controversial &#8220;ecosystem services&#8221; and the groundswell of urban environmental data that has been accumulating during the last decade.</p>
<p>The tree and machine metaphors and interplay between the two also had potential but remained unexplored.  Instead the author chooses to just stretch the metaphors with fanciful speculation and hyperbolic wordplay- bah.  And any thorough essay touching on the idea of performative urban forests calls for an examination of the foundation of large urban greenspaces in cities (as opposed to the predominant plaza/garden typologies that predominated prior to industrial cities) and 19th century park design paradigms (public health among them) and for examining them in this cultural/historical context.</p>
<p>And this quote is nothing if not a stretch- <i>&#8220;At any drive-through of a fast food restaurant, a country road is evoked as drivers circle their way between the speaker and pick-up window amidst plants that beautify the wait for food with a pleasing, planted environment that has grown over the stains, graffiti, garbage, insects, and dust of the city”.</i></p>
<p>At any rate, you bring up good points about possible new methodologies and models.  We need more landscape architecture, and we need to figure out ways of doing it that don&#8217;t rely on the capital project (your example is a good one).  Of course, we still need capital projects, too.</p>
<p>Also of note, the environmental data that is being gathered is leading to real policy changes.  In New York, new public projects are now driven by the Department of Design and Construction (DDC) &#8220;sustainable infrastructure&#8221; and &#8220;sustainable building&#8221; guidelines, as well as the new DOT street design manual.  These are all real tools.  Frankenpines are a curiosity at best and disheartning, like going to a zoo in the south and seeing the last polar bear on earth wallow in mud miserably.</p>
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		<title>By: Tweets that mention future forests of the infrastructural city – mammoth // building nothing out of something -- Topsy.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tweets that mention future forests of the infrastructural city – mammoth // building nothing out of something -- Topsy.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jun 2010 02:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by dpr-barcelona, Rob Holmes. Rob Holmes said: (mammoth) Dying palm trees, fast-food landscapes, performative urban forests, and &quot;cosmopolitan&quot; species &#124; http://bit.ly/bAAwBA #mammothbook [...]</description>
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