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		<title>Comment on productivity signaling and size borrowing by Stephen</title>
		<link>http://m.ammoth.us/blog/2010/03/productivity-signaling-and-size-borrowing/#comment-8946</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Aaron, apologies for not responding sooner.  I think a distinction could be made between growing the economy, which was the focus the paper, and job growth.  You ask "but will this really lead to job growth?"  Probably not! But I'm not sure anyone suggested increasing home prices as a job creation mechanism, just that they are indicative of a workforce which has confidence their ability to afford higher housing costs.  It's possible that the economy of a region could grow without significant overall job creation, as you note happened in Silicon Valley.  

So are high housing prices an asset?  Well, it depends who you ask.  If you are Google, and looking for regions with a large pool of prospective talent, then they probably are, and the cities benefit from increased property tax revenue.  If you're a city without a large workforce capable of affording expensive places to live, then pricing them out of the market doesn't make much sense.  (Which is why it doesn't happen, housing prices are set by markets, not cities, who can only influence them.)

Do higher housing costs "induce a negative spiral in which high costs drive further and further specialization in the most high value added activities for a region, in effect narrowing the economic base"?  I have no idea, they might contribute to that.  I've got to think that higher prices are less a cause of economic diversification than an effect, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Aaron, apologies for not responding sooner.  I think a distinction could be made between growing the economy, which was the focus the paper, and job growth.  You ask &#8220;but will this really lead to job growth?&#8221;  Probably not! But I&#8217;m not sure anyone suggested increasing home prices as a job creation mechanism, just that they are indicative of a workforce which has confidence their ability to afford higher housing costs.  It&#8217;s possible that the economy of a region could grow without significant overall job creation, as you note happened in Silicon Valley.  </p>
<p>So are high housing prices an asset?  Well, it depends who you ask.  If you are Google, and looking for regions with a large pool of prospective talent, then they probably are, and the cities benefit from increased property tax revenue.  If you&#8217;re a city without a large workforce capable of affording expensive places to live, then pricing them out of the market doesn&#8217;t make much sense.  (Which is why it doesn&#8217;t happen, housing prices are set by markets, not cities, who can only influence them.)</p>
<p>Do higher housing costs &#8220;induce a negative spiral in which high costs drive further and further specialization in the most high value added activities for a region, in effect narrowing the economic base&#8221;?  I have no idea, they might contribute to that.  I&#8217;ve got to think that higher prices are less a cause of economic diversification than an effect, though.</p>
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		<title>Comment on future forests of the eastern seaboard by faslanyc</title>
		<link>http://m.ammoth.us/blog/2010/03/future-forests-of-the-eastern-seaboard/#comment-8933</link>
		<dc:creator>faslanyc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 15:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the work by the &lt;a href="http://www.ars-grin.gov/npgs/" rel="nofollow"&gt;North American Plant Germplasm System&lt;/a&gt; is probably of interest to this conversation.

They have a specific mandate to mantain and enlarge the genome, which is critical especially for agricultural production (creating hybrids that combat diseases or pests or draught).  it's an everyday practical extention of the doomsday vault up in Norway.  

there was recently an article in &lt;a href="http://www.wired.com/magazine/2010/02/ff_ug99_fungus/" rel="nofollow"&gt;wired&lt;/a&gt; about how this system is being used to combat ugandan wheat rust which could potentially threaten the entire world supply potentially.  also, npr "on point with tom ashbrook" recently interviewed a lady who gave a great rundown of the workings of it and argued that it is woefully underfunded and unloved for the critical function it provides.

i would agree with f.a.d's last sentence wholeheartedly.  if you frame the argument in terms of native v. non-native then you end up in a philosophical/semantic debate.  but if it's about maintaining or even enriching biodiversity (and &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._O._Wilson" rel="nofollow"&gt;eo wilson&lt;/a&gt; would say that is critical) then i think the argument is a lot clearer and the question becomes what strategies and tactics to implement.

as an aside, i dig ailanthus.  also, mammoth is sounding a lot more bldgblog-esque after that glacier/island/storm week...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the work by the <a href="http://www.ars-grin.gov/npgs/" rel="nofollow">North American Plant Germplasm System</a> is probably of interest to this conversation.</p>
<p>They have a specific mandate to mantain and enlarge the genome, which is critical especially for agricultural production (creating hybrids that combat diseases or pests or draught).  it&#8217;s an everyday practical extention of the doomsday vault up in Norway.  </p>
<p>there was recently an article in <a href="http://www.wired.com/magazine/2010/02/ff_ug99_fungus/" rel="nofollow">wired</a> about how this system is being used to combat ugandan wheat rust which could potentially threaten the entire world supply potentially.  also, npr &#8220;on point with tom ashbrook&#8221; recently interviewed a lady who gave a great rundown of the workings of it and argued that it is woefully underfunded and unloved for the critical function it provides.</p>
<p>i would agree with f.a.d&#8217;s last sentence wholeheartedly.  if you frame the argument in terms of native v. non-native then you end up in a philosophical/semantic debate.  but if it&#8217;s about maintaining or even enriching biodiversity (and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._O._Wilson" rel="nofollow">eo wilson</a> would say that is critical) then i think the argument is a lot clearer and the question becomes what strategies and tactics to implement.</p>
<p>as an aside, i dig ailanthus.  also, mammoth is sounding a lot more bldgblog-esque after that glacier/island/storm week&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on future forests of the eastern seaboard by Free Association Design</title>
		<link>http://m.ammoth.us/blog/2010/03/future-forests-of-the-eastern-seaboard/#comment-8902</link>
		<dc:creator>Free Association Design</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 21:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"....some horticulturists now think that the appropriately far-sighted practice is to only plant invasive species..."

I think its helpful in the native vs. non-native debate to approach it in terms of systemic relationships or ecology--aspects we often can't physically see, rather than focusing on isolated species.  Once aggressive invasives come to dominate an environment, the relational structure of the system typically breaks down, reducing overall complexity and resiliency, and has already been mentioned, often produces monocultures. An Ailanthus forest in North America may look like a forest, but from an ecology point of view its really not because it will not contain the same richness and functional processes.  
I can appreciate the logic of a world of weed ecology (humans being the weed par excellence) based on a palette of species perfectly adapted to our 'disturbance' mode or operating (which may be turn out to be relatively short and terminal from a broader time frame), but what we lose in this is immense and largely unknowable like climate change - which will further complicate the idea of nativity as biomes have begun to drift around the surface of the globe. 
I would argue that the continuation and maintenance of diverse,complex ecologies (rather than aesthetics) is worth fighting for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;.some horticulturists now think that the appropriately far-sighted practice is to only plant invasive species&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I think its helpful in the native vs. non-native debate to approach it in terms of systemic relationships or ecology&#8211;aspects we often can&#8217;t physically see, rather than focusing on isolated species.  Once aggressive invasives come to dominate an environment, the relational structure of the system typically breaks down, reducing overall complexity and resiliency, and has already been mentioned, often produces monocultures. An Ailanthus forest in North America may look like a forest, but from an ecology point of view its really not because it will not contain the same richness and functional processes.<br />
I can appreciate the logic of a world of weed ecology (humans being the weed par excellence) based on a palette of species perfectly adapted to our &#8216;disturbance&#8217; mode or operating (which may be turn out to be relatively short and terminal from a broader time frame), but what we lose in this is immense and largely unknowable like climate change - which will further complicate the idea of nativity as biomes have begun to drift around the surface of the globe.<br />
I would argue that the continuation and maintenance of diverse,complex ecologies (rather than aesthetics) is worth fighting for.</p>
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		<title>Comment on future forests of the eastern seaboard by цarьchitect</title>
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		<dc:creator>цarьchitect</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 20:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well invasive species are usually so aggressive that they create monocultures, which then collapse due to sudden plagues. It's an, er, &lt;i&gt;classic&lt;/i&gt; tragedy of overreaching and hubris. Then on the long term, there is speciation. 

But those at the ICA do have a similar attitude: defensive, and burdened with an unstated assumption that nature is more or less static  on the long term. That is clearly not true. Whither the mastodon?

But then we have to consider whether humans are causing the ecological shift. After all, that depends on whether you interpret humans to be part of the ecology or somehow separate. Looking back and forth between the XIIIe (or even the VIIIe) and an emergent slum in Madras, I think that's an open question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well invasive species are usually so aggressive that they create monocultures, which then collapse due to sudden plagues. It&#8217;s an, er, <i>classic</i> tragedy of overreaching and hubris. Then on the long term, there is speciation. </p>
<p>But those at the ICA do have a similar attitude: defensive, and burdened with an unstated assumption that nature is more or less static  on the long term. That is clearly not true. Whither the mastodon?</p>
<p>But then we have to consider whether humans are causing the ecological shift. After all, that depends on whether you interpret humans to be part of the ecology or somehow separate. Looking back and forth between the XIIIe (or even the VIIIe) and an emergent slum in Madras, I think that&#8217;s an open question.</p>
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		<title>Comment on future forests of the eastern seaboard by Adam E. Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam E. Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Rob.

I was thinking if you expanded the timeframe, perhaps in terms of geologic time, "native" species wouldn't exist, but all are in a continuous migration transported by the earth's processes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Rob.</p>
<p>I was thinking if you expanded the timeframe, perhaps in terms of geologic time, &#8220;native&#8221; species wouldn&#8217;t exist, but all are in a continuous migration transported by the earth&#8217;s processes.</p>
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		<title>Comment on contact by Blogs, Blogs y mas Blogs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blogs, Blogs y mas Blogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 14:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Farmer News and some of the food writing from The Grist.  mammoth: A tag-team effort from Stephen Becker and Rob Holmes the blog mines similar terrain to the peripheral investigators that make for great [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on this place is best shunned and left uninhabited by landscapes of quarantine - mammoth // building nothing out of something</title>
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		<dc:creator>landscapes of quarantine - mammoth // building nothing out of something</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 00:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and quarantine economies), as well as two posts more generally related to matters of quarantine (this place is best shunned and left uninhabited, on designing the landscape of nuclear waste repositories, and pueraria lobata, on invasive [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on quarantine theater by landscapes of quarantine - mammoth // building nothing out of something</title>
		<link>http://m.ammoth.us/blog/2009/12/quarantine-theater/#comment-8741</link>
		<dc:creator>landscapes of quarantine - mammoth // building nothing out of something</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 23:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] pair of mammoth posts written briefly after that visit (on quarantine theater and quarantine economies), as well as two posts more generally related to matters of quarantine [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on absent rivers, ephemeral parks by The Year The Army Stopped Niagara Falls &#124; kox.sk</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Year The Army Stopped Niagara Falls &#124; kox.sk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 21:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] American Falls de-watered      Documentary Nálepky: falls (1), geology (1), water (13)    &#160;      WoodenSnail [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on a glacier is a very long event by Worlds3E Research Public Sphere News &#187; Artificial Glaciers 101</title>
		<link>http://m.ammoth.us/blog/2010/02/a-glacier-is-a-very-long-event/#comment-8732</link>
		<dc:creator>Worlds3E Research Public Sphere News &#187; Artificial Glaciers 101</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 16:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] self-sustaining, tectonically complex structures of ice into motion. After all, glaciers are very long events, as mammoth memorably put it. [Image: From Wired Science's photo gallery, "Stunning Views of [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on productivity signaling and size borrowing by Aaron M. Renn</title>
		<link>http://m.ammoth.us/blog/2010/03/productivity-signaling-and-size-borrowing/#comment-8708</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron M. Renn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 22:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This strikes me as yet another attempt to redefine a negative (high costs) as an asset. This may be true for a subset of employers, especially ones with high value added, but will this really lead to job growth?

Chicago's Central Area Action Plan projects job growth of only 3,000 jobs annually through 2020 in a very expansive central area. There are already a few hundred thousand jobs there, so this is not particularly high growth.  Cook County, IL as a whole actually has 70,000 fewer jobs today than it did in 1990.

My hunch is that this effect has some validity, but it induces a negative spiral in which high costs drive further and further specialization in the most high value added activities for a region, in effect narrowing the economic base.  This might raise incomes and property values, but it won't generate much if any job growth.  

You see the same affect in Silicon Valley as in Chicago, btw. Between 1990 and 2009 San Mateo County and Santa Clara County combined added only 80,000 jobs, a CAGR of less than 0.5%  This is in one of the most booming zones in the country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This strikes me as yet another attempt to redefine a negative (high costs) as an asset. This may be true for a subset of employers, especially ones with high value added, but will this really lead to job growth?</p>
<p>Chicago&#8217;s Central Area Action Plan projects job growth of only 3,000 jobs annually through 2020 in a very expansive central area. There are already a few hundred thousand jobs there, so this is not particularly high growth.  Cook County, IL as a whole actually has 70,000 fewer jobs today than it did in 1990.</p>
<p>My hunch is that this effect has some validity, but it induces a negative spiral in which high costs drive further and further specialization in the most high value added activities for a region, in effect narrowing the economic base.  This might raise incomes and property values, but it won&#8217;t generate much if any job growth.  </p>
<p>You see the same affect in Silicon Valley as in Chicago, btw. Between 1990 and 2009 San Mateo County and Santa Clara County combined added only 80,000 jobs, a CAGR of less than 0.5%  This is in one of the most booming zones in the country.</p>
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		<title>Comment on absent rivers, ephemeral parks by El año en que el ejército paró las cataratas del Niágara &#124; Maikelnai's blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>El año en que el ejército paró las cataratas del Niágara &#124; Maikelnai's blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 21:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] En el año 1969, el cuerpo de ingenieros de la Armada estadounidense llevó a cabo un hecho sin precedentes, lograron detener las cataratas del Niágara. Lo hicieron para limpiar el área y para comprobar la integridad estructural del salto del agua. Podéis ver algunas fotos de aquel evento en la galería de Rbglasson en Flickr. Según explican en el bog M.ammoth: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] En el año 1969, el cuerpo de ingenieros de la Armada estadounidense llevó a cabo un hecho sin precedentes, lograron detener las cataratas del Niágara. Lo hicieron para limpiar el área y para comprobar la integridad estructural del salto del agua. Podéis ver algunas fotos de aquel evento en la galería de Rbglasson en Flickr. Según explican en el bog M.ammoth: [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on florida, continued by productivity signaling and size borrowing - mammoth // building nothing out of something</title>
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		<dc:creator>productivity signaling and size borrowing - mammoth // building nothing out of something</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 20:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] American Prospect by Alec MacGillis which was critical of Richard Florida (which mammoth previously highlighted). Avent contends that the competition among cities for highly productive workers is inevitably and [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on absent rivers, ephemeral parks by The Year The Army Stopped Niagara Falls [Retro Mega Engineering] &#124; Test Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Year The Army Stopped Niagara Falls [Retro Mega Engineering] &#124; Test Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 20:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on from bogota to nyc by namhenderson</title>
		<link>http://m.ammoth.us/blog/2010/03/from-bogota-to-nyc/#comment-8590</link>
		<dc:creator>namhenderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 16:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Faslanyc,

Unfortunately it seems all his published works are in Portuguese. 
This is a good talk he gave to RIBA
http://www.gleeds.tv/index.cfm?video=642
And of course his TED Talk
http://www.ted.com/talks/jaime_lerner_sings_of_the_city.html

He really seems to be making a name for himself going around the world preaching the value of BRT and human centered cities.

The point that he made re: implementation was interesting. Early on he said the business community wasn't happy with his plans for pedestrianization, very similar to Sadik's issues with local business-men complaints.

So he literally did the first couple of interventions over weekends when the businesses were closed so that they couldn't stop it. They got there Monday and work was done. Sort of like Sadik's DOT approach to overnighting Broadway.

As for my county's plans for BRT. I think the issues are twofold. One do to concurrency planning requirements they are running into a situation where they need to either build more main roads/transit connector or they won't be able to develop certain areas of the county further. So the choice is either increased congestion (which would be the end result of new roads anyways) or some sort of mass transit. Plus, there is a few commissioners etc who are into the idea of Peak Oil/resiliency.

I think they are actually getting some Federal transit funding for the introductory portions of the planning etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Faslanyc,</p>
<p>Unfortunately it seems all his published works are in Portuguese.<br />
This is a good talk he gave to RIBA<br />
<a href="http://www.gleeds.tv/index.cfm?video=642" rel="nofollow">http://www.gleeds.tv/index.cfm?video=642</a><br />
And of course his TED Talk<br />
<a href="http://www.ted.com/talks/jaime_lerner_sings_of_the_city.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ted.com/talks/jaime_lerner_sings_of_the_city.html</a></p>
<p>He really seems to be making a name for himself going around the world preaching the value of BRT and human centered cities.</p>
<p>The point that he made re: implementation was interesting. Early on he said the business community wasn&#8217;t happy with his plans for pedestrianization, very similar to Sadik&#8217;s issues with local business-men complaints.</p>
<p>So he literally did the first couple of interventions over weekends when the businesses were closed so that they couldn&#8217;t stop it. They got there Monday and work was done. Sort of like Sadik&#8217;s DOT approach to overnighting Broadway.</p>
<p>As for my county&#8217;s plans for BRT. I think the issues are twofold. One do to concurrency planning requirements they are running into a situation where they need to either build more main roads/transit connector or they won&#8217;t be able to develop certain areas of the county further. So the choice is either increased congestion (which would be the end result of new roads anyways) or some sort of mass transit. Plus, there is a few commissioners etc who are into the idea of Peak Oil/resiliency.</p>
<p>I think they are actually getting some Federal transit funding for the introductory portions of the planning etc.</p>
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