{"id":4596,"date":"2011-04-22T16:05:08","date_gmt":"2011-04-22T21:05:08","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/m.ammoth.us\/blog\/?p=4596"},"modified":"2011-04-22T16:12:26","modified_gmt":"2011-04-22T21:12:26","slug":"aerotropolis-continued","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/m.ammoth.us\/blog\/2011\/04\/aerotropolis-continued\/","title":{"rendered":"aerotropolis, continued"},"content":{"rendered":"

In advance of another event related to Greg Lindsay and John Kasarda’s recently-published Aerotropolis<\/em>, Andrew Blum asked twitter for questions for Lindsay.\u00a0 I responded with the central point from my previous post<\/a> on Aerotropolis<\/em>:<\/p>\n

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    \"Andrew <\/a><\/div>\n
    ajblum<\/a> Good chatter about tonight’s Aerotropolis event so I’ll put it out there: Any questions from the cloud*? (*Not actually a cloud.)<\/span> 20 Apr 2011<\/span> <\/a> from Twitter for iPhone<\/a> <\/span> <\/span><\/div>\n<\/li>\n
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    \"Rob <\/a><\/div>\n
    eatingbark<\/a> @ajblum<\/a> Yes. Lindsay says: “The notion of the aerotropolis is basically that air travel is what globalization looks like in urban form”.<\/span> 20 Apr 2011<\/span> <\/a> from web<\/span> <\/span><\/div>\n<\/li>\n
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    \"Rob <\/a><\/div>\n
    eatingbark<\/a> @ajblum<\/a> Seems to me that the \u201caerotropolis\u201d is more a symbol of globalization than it is globalization crystallized. That would be ports.<\/span> 20 Apr 2011<\/span> <\/a> from web<\/span> <\/span><\/div>\n<\/li>\n
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    \"Rob <\/a><\/div>\n
    eatingbark<\/a> @ajblum<\/a> Much longer version here: http:\/\/m.ammoth.us\/blog\/2011\/03\/aerotropolis\/.<\/a> <\/span> 20 Apr 2011<\/span> <\/a> from web<\/span> <\/span><\/div>\n<\/li>\n
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    Since Lindsay was good enough to reply several times, I’ve archived that conversation here (after the jump) for anyone interested in reading Lindsay’s response.<\/p>\n

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      \"Greg <\/a><\/div>\n
      Greg_Lindsay<\/a> @eatingbark<\/a> @ajblum<\/a> I disagree; ports don’t move human capital, which is the highest value commodity in the developed world.<\/span> 20 Apr 2011<\/span> <\/a> from web<\/span> <\/span><\/div>\n<\/li>\n
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      \"Greg <\/a><\/div>\n
      Greg_Lindsay<\/a> @eatingbark<\/a> @ajblum<\/a> A more nuanced answer would be: ports vs. airports vs. broadband reflects a sort of Maslow’s hierarchy of globalization.<\/span> 20 Apr 2011<\/span> <\/a> from web<\/span> <\/span><\/div>\n<\/li>\n
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      \"Greg <\/a><\/div>\n
      Greg_Lindsay<\/a> @eatingbark<\/a> @ajblum<\/a> Ports for low value economies; airports for high-value ones, and Internet nodes for the financiers running the show.<\/span> 20 Apr 2011<\/span> <\/a> from web<\/span> <\/span><\/div>\n<\/li>\n
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      \"Rob <\/a><\/div>\n
      eatingbark<\/a> @greg_lindsay<\/a> @ajblum<\/a> Describing it as a Maslow’s hierarchy hardly makes the point that “the aerotropolis is what globalization looks like”.<\/span> 21 Apr 2011<\/span> <\/a> from web<\/span> <\/span><\/div>\n<\/li>\n
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      \"Rob <\/a><\/div>\n
      eatingbark<\/a> @greg_lindsay<\/a> @ajblum<\/a> …as the lower layers of the Maslow pyramid are more basic than (and take precedence over) the upper.<\/span> 21 Apr 2011<\/span> <\/a> from web<\/span> <\/span><\/div>\n<\/li>\n
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      \"Rob <\/a><\/div>\n
      eatingbark<\/a> @greg_lindsay<\/a> @ajblum<\/a> Analogy aside, my more basic point was that most people don’t participate directly in these “high-value” economies.<\/span> 21 Apr 2011<\/span> <\/a> from web<\/span> <\/span><\/div>\n<\/li>\n
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      \"Rob <\/a><\/div>\n
      eatingbark<\/a> @greg_lindsay<\/a> @ajblum<\/a> What globalization looks like by preponderance of land, material, and people much different than by capital.<\/span> 21 Apr 2011<\/span> <\/a> from web<\/span> <\/span><\/div>\n<\/li>\n
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      \"Rob <\/a><\/div>\n
      eatingbark<\/a> @greg_lindsay<\/a> @ajblum<\/a> But thanks for response. Can probably agree that it is not either airport or seaport (or net), but all-and-more.<\/span> 21 Apr 2011<\/span> <\/a> from web<\/span> <\/span><\/div>\n<\/li>\n
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      \"Andrew <\/a><\/div>\n
      ajblum<\/a> Was just about to say that. @eatingbark<\/a> Can probably agree that it is not either airport or seaport (or net), but all-and-more.<\/span> 21 Apr 2011<\/span> <\/a> from Twitter for Mac<\/a> <\/span> <\/span><\/div>\n<\/li>\n
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      \"Greg <\/a><\/div>\n
      Greg_Lindsay<\/a> @eatingbark<\/a> @ajblum<\/a> I’m w\/ David Harvey on this one: capital creates “spatial fixes” that impose its logic on people and landscapes.<\/span> 21 Apr 2011<\/span> <\/a> from web<\/span> <\/span><\/div>\n<\/li>\n
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      \"Greg <\/a><\/div>\n
      Greg_Lindsay<\/a> @eatingbark<\/a> @ajblum<\/a> The aerotropolis is the spatial fix of just-in-time global capitalism, much more so than ports. Anyway…<\/span> 21 Apr 2011<\/span> <\/a> from web<\/span> <\/span><\/div>\n<\/li>\n
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      \"Rob <\/a><\/div>\n
      eatingbark<\/a> @greg_lindsay<\/a> @ajblum<\/a> I think that’s true. I just want us to remember that (in @stphnbckr’s<\/a> words) the globalized world is still very heavy.<\/span> 21 Apr 2011<\/span> <\/a> from web<\/span> <\/span><\/div>\n<\/li>\n
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      \"Rob <\/a><\/div>\n
      eatingbark<\/a> @greg_lindsay<\/a> @ajblum<\/a> Or, that there is a lot more matter in “low-value” economies than in “high-value” economies.<\/span> 21 Apr 2011<\/span> <\/a> from web<\/span> <\/span><\/div>\n<\/li>\n
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      \"Rob <\/a><\/div>\n
      eatingbark<\/a> @greg_lindsay<\/a> @ajblum<\/a> Or, that just-in-time can often be weeks, not days. I’ll stop rambling now…<\/span> 21 Apr 2011<\/span> <\/a> from web<\/span> <\/span><\/div>\n<\/li>\n
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      Though the event in question has now concluded, Lindsay remains on tour promoting his book. A full schedule of stops, including upcoming events in Chicago, New York, Denver, and DC, can be found here<\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

      In advance of another event related to Greg Lindsay and John Kasarda’s recently-published Aerotropolis, Andrew Blum asked twitter for questions for Lindsay.\u00a0 I responded with the central point from my previous post on Aerotropolis: ajblum Good chatter about tonight’s Aerotropolis event so I’ll put it out there: Any questions from the cloud*? (*Not actually a […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[10,15,5],"tags":[547,549,548],"class_list":["post-4596","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-asides","category-infrastructure","category-urbanism","tag-aerotropolis","tag-globalization","tag-greg-lindsay"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/m.ammoth.us\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4596","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/m.ammoth.us\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/m.ammoth.us\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/m.ammoth.us\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/m.ammoth.us\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=4596"}],"version-history":[{"count":9,"href":"http:\/\/m.ammoth.us\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4596\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":4605,"href":"http:\/\/m.ammoth.us\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4596\/revisions\/4605"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/m.ammoth.us\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=4596"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/m.ammoth.us\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=4596"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/m.ammoth.us\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=4596"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}